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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, I agree with you 100% and things here in the US are very similar.. My philosophy has always been to not buy what i can&#039;t affory, I owe noone anything and If I want something I pay for it.

I like my life this way, I may not have a million dollar yacht but I also don&#039;t have the monthly payment on one either, if I want something I save up for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, I agree with you 100% and things here in the US are very similar.. My philosophy has always been to not buy what i can&#8217;t affory, I owe noone anything and If I want something I pay for it.</p>
<p>I like my life this way, I may not have a million dollar yacht but I also don&#8217;t have the monthly payment on one either, if I want something I save up for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thai - Awesome comment, and I totally agree about the confidence point.  Somebody shouts &quot;the worlds ok now&quot; and it&#039;s spend spend spend (and vice versa).

@Stefan - Your guess is as good as mine.  There are car parks jammed with thousands of new cars that nobody wants to buy outside these factories and yet the money keeps flowing into these companies.  I guess it&#039;s a sort of state benefit - rather than have them on unemployment benefit give the company the money instead.  We are living in crazy times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thai &#8211; Awesome comment, and I totally agree about the confidence point.  Somebody shouts &#8220;the worlds ok now&#8221; and it&#8217;s spend spend spend (and vice versa).</p>
<p>@Stefan &#8211; Your guess is as good as mine.  There are car parks jammed with thousands of new cars that nobody wants to buy outside these factories and yet the money keeps flowing into these companies.  I guess it&#8217;s a sort of state benefit &#8211; rather than have them on unemployment benefit give the company the money instead.  We are living in crazy times.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me think about car makers and why they are being given millions of dollar at the moment.

&quot;So, no one have bought our cars for several years.. Which means we are losing money and still having a lot of cars no one wants.. Would you like to lend us some money so we can continue to build more cars no one will buy?&quot;

Why is this accepted in their business?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me think about car makers and why they are being given millions of dollar at the moment.</p>
<p>&#8220;So, no one have bought our cars for several years.. Which means we are losing money and still having a lot of cars no one wants.. Would you like to lend us some money so we can continue to build more cars no one will buy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is this accepted in their business?<br />
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		<title>By: Thai</title>
		<link>http://www.moneyschemes.net/small-business-and-the-credit-crunch-uk-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-23239</link>
		<dc:creator>Thai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good counter point.  I knew you or someone would ask why he doesn&#039;t use his own capital.  Simply not all tires are of the 100 dollar domestic car variety.  He sells farm tractor tires and 18 wheeler tires that go from 800 to 2000 A PIECE. Not having it in stock when a customer comes in on an unexpected flat is not good in a tire business.  PLUS he&#039;s not penalized for not using his own capital to buy tires, his provider (michalen, cooper, firestone) gives him the inventory at no cost or interest until it is sold.  When the tire is sold THEN do they give a bonus if the tire is paid in a certain time frame.  A customer does not have 2000 dollars up front, he is forced to pay off the tire in installments which my client becomes a lender.  His borrowing from the bank is a way of making his margins larger.  No risk to the bank since he&#039;ll eventually pay off the amount via his provider&#039;s check and no risk to him since he has really big and mean people working who&#039;ll rip the tires off the vehicle if the customer does not pay the payments :)  Here is an example of someone using bank to leverage their earning.

Another example that I&#039;ve observed is in the floor cleaning business.  When a worker breaks a buffing machine, business grinds to a halt.  Without one, no money is made.  Here is where the bank comes in. Or if I had ANOTHER buffer, I can do twice the work in the same amount of time and get paid more.  I need to make a nearly 10,000 purchase on a good buffer machine.  Having been in business for only a couple of years, that kind of capitol is not readily available.  If I don&#039;t use the resources of the bank the business will stop if I only have 1 broken one, or not grow if I want 2.

I see you point about businesses and individuals borrowing money for things that are risky.  In good times everyone wins, banks get money from borrowers, investors get money to buy stocks they don&#039;t normally have money for and profit, and businesses use the money to attract more customers who in turn make them more money.  But as soon as someone yells out &#039;the economy is bad now&#039; everyone suffers.  Banks lend less in fear even though THAT how they MAKE money.  Businesses get denied money they need for growth and expansion and lose customer, so in turn the company shed employees who go home and yell out &#039;the economy is bad now&#039;. Investors start to lose money in those very businesses so THEY quit buying which makes people who invest in them to grow their saving lose their money and yell out &#039;the economy is bad now&#039;. 

All it takes is someone to say &#039;the economy is healthy now&#039; and everything will go right back to where it was...wasted spending, sloppy investing, and careless money lending.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good counter point.  I knew you or someone would ask why he doesn&#8217;t use his own capital.  Simply not all tires are of the 100 dollar domestic car variety.  He sells farm tractor tires and 18 wheeler tires that go from 800 to 2000 A PIECE. Not having it in stock when a customer comes in on an unexpected flat is not good in a tire business.  PLUS he&#8217;s not penalized for not using his own capital to buy tires, his provider (michalen, cooper, firestone) gives him the inventory at no cost or interest until it is sold.  When the tire is sold THEN do they give a bonus if the tire is paid in a certain time frame.  A customer does not have 2000 dollars up front, he is forced to pay off the tire in installments which my client becomes a lender.  His borrowing from the bank is a way of making his margins larger.  No risk to the bank since he&#8217;ll eventually pay off the amount via his provider&#8217;s check and no risk to him since he has really big and mean people working who&#8217;ll rip the tires off the vehicle if the customer does not pay the payments <img src='http://www.moneyschemes.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Here is an example of someone using bank to leverage their earning.</p>
<p>Another example that I&#8217;ve observed is in the floor cleaning business.  When a worker breaks a buffing machine, business grinds to a halt.  Without one, no money is made.  Here is where the bank comes in. Or if I had ANOTHER buffer, I can do twice the work in the same amount of time and get paid more.  I need to make a nearly 10,000 purchase on a good buffer machine.  Having been in business for only a couple of years, that kind of capitol is not readily available.  If I don&#8217;t use the resources of the bank the business will stop if I only have 1 broken one, or not grow if I want 2.</p>
<p>I see you point about businesses and individuals borrowing money for things that are risky.  In good times everyone wins, banks get money from borrowers, investors get money to buy stocks they don&#8217;t normally have money for and profit, and businesses use the money to attract more customers who in turn make them more money.  But as soon as someone yells out &#8216;the economy is bad now&#8217; everyone suffers.  Banks lend less in fear even though THAT how they MAKE money.  Businesses get denied money they need for growth and expansion and lose customer, so in turn the company shed employees who go home and yell out &#8216;the economy is bad now&#8217;. Investors start to lose money in those very businesses so THEY quit buying which makes people who invest in them to grow their saving lose their money and yell out &#8216;the economy is bad now&#8217;. </p>
<p>All it takes is someone to say &#8216;the economy is healthy now&#8217; and everything will go right back to where it was&#8230;wasted spending, sloppy investing, and careless money lending.<br />
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why can&#039;t he buy the tyres early from the profit he made on selling the previous batch?  Can you see what I mean?  Unless you&#039;re spending everything you make (bas business) then that&#039;s exactly what your capital is for - buying stock etc  I can fully understand people wanting to take advantage of leverage where it exists but the risk should be with their own money and not the banks.  

On the web for example there have been times where I&#039;ve had the golden &quot;opportunity&quot; to invest heavily in traffic where I know the major benefits will be time limited (only for 1 day in some circumstances).  I could have borrowed to fund that in the hope that it all works out.  I haven&#039;t and wouldn&#039;t do it.  I&#039;m comfortable with risking $1000 of my own money, I&#039;m not comfortable with risking $10,000 of the banks.  Running a business is a gamble and I prefer to gamble only with what I can afford to lose.

When a business moans that they need cash for stock the first thought that always goes through my head is &quot;so what the hell happened to the money you&#039;ve made from selling your old stock?&quot;  Maybe they decided to buy a new watch, or a new car?  

I know I&#039;m harsh about this, it all comes from my less than well off background.  My philisophy is simple, I only spend what I have.  I seem to get by OK doing that ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why can&#8217;t he buy the tyres early from the profit he made on selling the previous batch?  Can you see what I mean?  Unless you&#8217;re spending everything you make (bas business) then that&#8217;s exactly what your capital is for &#8211; buying stock etc  I can fully understand people wanting to take advantage of leverage where it exists but the risk should be with their own money and not the banks.  </p>
<p>On the web for example there have been times where I&#8217;ve had the golden &#8220;opportunity&#8221; to invest heavily in traffic where I know the major benefits will be time limited (only for 1 day in some circumstances).  I could have borrowed to fund that in the hope that it all works out.  I haven&#8217;t and wouldn&#8217;t do it.  I&#8217;m comfortable with risking $1000 of my own money, I&#8217;m not comfortable with risking $10,000 of the banks.  Running a business is a gamble and I prefer to gamble only with what I can afford to lose.</p>
<p>When a business moans that they need cash for stock the first thought that always goes through my head is &#8220;so what the hell happened to the money you&#8217;ve made from selling your old stock?&#8221;  Maybe they decided to buy a new watch, or a new car?  </p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m harsh about this, it all comes from my less than well off background.  My philisophy is simple, I only spend what I have.  I seem to get by OK doing that <img src='http://www.moneyschemes.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Thai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your statement above but I have an example of how a good business can still need money from the bank.  I have a client who sells tires.  His suppliers will give him a 10 percent discount if he pays for his inventory before x amount of time.  This hopefully promotes him to sell the inventory that the tire provider loaned to him without cost until the customer pays.  At that time if he is within the time, he&#039;ll get the discount along with his usual cut.  If he goes to the bank and borrows the amount needed to pay off his inventory BEFORE a client buys a tire, he&#039;ll get his cut AND the 10 percent.  He&#039;ll only need to pay the bank 6 percent here locally for the load.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your statement above but I have an example of how a good business can still need money from the bank.  I have a client who sells tires.  His suppliers will give him a 10 percent discount if he pays for his inventory before x amount of time.  This hopefully promotes him to sell the inventory that the tire provider loaned to him without cost until the customer pays.  At that time if he is within the time, he&#8217;ll get the discount along with his usual cut.  If he goes to the bank and borrows the amount needed to pay off his inventory BEFORE a client buys a tire, he&#8217;ll get his cut AND the 10 percent.  He&#8217;ll only need to pay the bank 6 percent here locally for the load.<br />
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